Monday, August 18, 2008

Censored at "Catholic" Conference/Supreme Court, here we come

Dear Life Advocates, The Catholic Voters Conference on Tuesday night at Saint Clare Church was a new experience for me. I was at a speaker's table sitting between two young people, a gal for Obama and a guy for Merkeley. The panelist for Gordon Smith didn't show. Asking the questions was host, Bill Gallagher, news manager from KPAM radio and a Saint Clare parishioner. About fifty? people showed up. There were some friendly faces that gave me strength, as did your prayers. Thank you. The first speaker for this conference in July was Fr. Claude Pomerleau who is a liberation theology proponent. This "theology" is condemned by the Church. Here is a great article by then Cardinal Ratzinger. The questions for the panel were written by the people who attended Fr. Pomerleau's talk. Saint Clare Justice and Peace committee sponsoring the conference is part of the Saul Alinsky/Faith in Public Life - based Metropolitan Alliance for the Common Good (MACG). So, the questions were lopsided: more on "war" than "questions on "life" probably 10/1. In fact the categories were really called: Iraq, Social, International. (Forgot what "Faith in Public Life" is? Get a FREE CD from last years' JUSTICE IN PIECES workshop with Stephanie Block that explains the great persecution and drain of money from Catholics in the pews due to the control that Faith in Public Life/EMO groups have in our Catholic me.) The TRUTH has a RING to it, that's why there is censorship in the Church. During the Question and Answer warrior, Dr. Russell Sacco, noted for a picture of him holding precious ten-week old unborn feet between his fingers, got many people there riled up. Flashing symbolic "stop it right now" blue cards (in case speakers were rude or off topic) the doctor's explanation of abortion procedures created this panic. He did get a few gruesome truthful descriptions in...a quick pro-life education where none would have been. Thank you Dr. Sacco. My comments were "censored" three times by having my microphone shut off and flying blue cards again. It seemed that stating facts of Obama's record on abortion and the firmness on Church teachings were seen as "rude" . I later asked the conference leader if this response was just "consciences being pricked" and not rudeness. But, he said he was going to have to give me a bad report to the McCain Campaign anyhow. As long as my "report" to Christ the Lord is in union with His Will I am at peace. As I said that night and I'm sure John McCain would agree, I'd rather have the Truth out there and save Souls (hopefully) than get votes for McCain by being silent. To continue with the meeting....the "faith formation" teacher from Jesuit High School used as an expert on the "seamless garment", said that Cardinal Bernardin's theory was "Magisterial teaching" when asked this by a practicing Catholic in the audience. His answer showed his lack of knowledge on this issue. (This is NOT Magisterial teaching.) The Earth Charter is taught at Saint Mary Academy and Bernardin's theory as Magisterial teaching taught at Jesuit: these teachers need our prayers. Bill Mizia, Catholic School Superintendent. (see for contact info) The meeting was cut short by fifteen minutes even though many people had their hands up. This seemed to be another aim at censorship. After the talk, a man with his teen daughter confronted me on the aborted innocent child versus the innocent Iraqi child killed in combat. He understood the difference by the answer: MOTIVE : Abortion is ALWAYS the INTENTIONAL KILLING of innocent human life, whereas, the US Military does NOT intentionally kill Iraqi children. Warnings are given so the innocent are able to flee, if at all possible. Protecting the innocent civilians is US Military policy anything else is punished. Whereas, the terrorists use children as suicide bombers. He understood and our conversation ended happily. Things can get confusing. Next month there is the third talk of the series of four. This one is on Immigration and the Economy, with a gal from Catholic Relief Services. It would be healty to have some questions for her and see where she stands. In my opinion, the people in authority at this conference have rarely, if ever, been challenged. They are making a living with Catholic money so they should live the Catholic life. I am still "debating" the leader of the conference via email. One statement he made to a group of us afterwards was that if something wasn't "Ex Cathedra" from the Chair of Peter, then belief in it was up for grabs; he brought up Humane Vitae, out of the blue. When challenged, he said "You make a good point about ExCathedra statements. It's a very poor debating tool and you're right, all things that are "truth" are not ExCathedra. Nor are all things truth in Holy Scripture, or recorded by a Bishop, a Cardinal or a Pope." hmmm He went on in his note to me... "I hope you will either quit this charade of Catholics for McCain or actually get behind, commit to, and learn about the real policies of Senator McCain. " (what about abortion/marriage policies of Obama, what policy of McCain's is of more severe proportion? VOCAL) He continues...."Or, conversely (and I do mean conversely), become an agent of change in our church and culture to turn away from recreational sexuality and save lives through sexuality that doesn't transmit lethal disease or generate unwanted pregnancy and which never places a woman in the position of having to even choose." What kind of sexuality? I'm almost afraid to ask. I don't think that Catholics for McCain is a CHARADE.. I don't think that being an advocate for unborn life is a charade. I don't believe the that Church teachings are a charade. I do believe John McCain when he says that he'll be a pro-life President. (google Saddleback church/McCain) His actions in the past have shown him to be an honorable man. He supports unborn life and traditional marriage something that Obama is against. Even if you think it's a me. The plan is to have someone for each county. This is a way to get to know people of like mind. It's just until Nov. I'll have things to send you that the Archdiocese allows to have in churches, issue pieces, and church teachings to help us all have informed consciences and defend our beliefs with TRUTH. WE can have FREE CONFERENCE CALLS and get togethers. The McCain campaign will pay for some nice meetings for us. That would be a treat. Usually it's all volunteer. We don't have any budget for pro-life ministries in Oregon. Justice and Peace has at least $80,000 to help support Saul Alinsky groups through advertising and Ecumenical Ministries of Oregon "ministries" Climate "Justice". Knowing how hard these election cycles can be, thank you to those priests/Bishops who support the Church and Her Teachings and need our prayers in this battle. By standing firm on the foundational issues of Life and Family, the Ship will stay on course, even though the rudder might be hard to control. We need to pray for all priests and Bishops that they may be standards for Christ. He Will Come Again. This election may not have the perfect candidate for us..however, in the case of the fundamental issue of life and saving marriage between one-man and one-woman, we need someone who will pick Supreme Court justices that don't legislate from the bench. These are fundamental issues that take top priority. They keep us grounded, on the narrow path. Sad to say, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against the people of Oregon regarding Measure 303 Domestic Partnerships. Now it must go before the Supreme Court. We know first hand about this movement of liberal judges to have our society made in their image. "Court Trashes Right to Vote" Thanks again for your prayers. Let's play charades for Life. God Bless you and yours, Carolyn "It is not slavery to surrender to Christ, for only the Truth can make us free. In ardent charity, tempered by humility and understanding, with no taint of animosity or of prejudice, let us beg the Holy Spirit to teach us all truth, to show us the established and secure road to the eternal vision of God, which is the eternal destiny of every soul." The Signs of the Times...Understanding the Church since Vatican II by Fr. Richard Gilsdorf, page 24. VOCAL Voice of Catholics Advocating Life PO Box 458 Sublimity, OR 97385 503-769-4767 Member of the Catholc Media Coalition "In line with the Church, on-line with the World".


Anonymous said...

Carolyn, you are an inspiration to faithful Catholics, and those that are trying to stand up against those in our Church who thinks it is OK to support Obama, who supports infanticide.

Keep up the great work and don't let the blind liberal Catholics get to you.

God Bless!

mike said...

"My comments were "censored" three times by having my microphone shut off and flying blue cards again."
The only way to turn off a microphone at the event would have been to pull the power from the entire portable system. That did not happen.
"Saint Clare Justice and Peace committee sponsoring the conference..." The conference was sponsored by out Outreach committe. Peace and Justice committee was simply not involved.
"So, the questions were lopsided: more on "war" than "questions on "life" probably 10/1." The questions are posted online, covering a wide range of social and international issues...including, but not limited to, abortion.
"The meeting was cut short by fifteen minutes even though many people had their hands up." The event ended nearly 10 minutes OVER schedule.
"I am still "debating" the leader of the conference via email." I have had no correspondence whatsoever from Carolyn. I sent her a note outlining my thoughts, but have received no response.

I will let these examples of differences stand on their own and leave the deeper statements about intent, theology and courtesy to be judged in the smaller examples of honesty.

My report to the McCain Campaign included Carolyn's statement, "I don't care about McCain. I care about unborn children." Senator McCain was poorly represented by Carolyn. Perhaps her views on abortion were.

VOCAL said...

My microphone WAS cut off. It was very evident and it DID happen. Representatives from the Justice and Peace office were there, at the registration table. The meeting was over at 8:10 and was supposed to run until 8:30, eventhough the Gordon Smith representative wasn't there. She had told you about this before the meeting had begun. I have sent you two emails and it looks like the second one was after this post. I'll have it in full in the next email to everyone. My statement was out of context in full, but I do repeat that I was there to bring true Church teaching for the salvation of souls, votes would be a bonus. You should have your expert on the Seamless Garment retrack his statement that this is Magisterial teaching.